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LT1FUN
Picked up an Edelbrock TPI base a while back LINK: http://www.z28.com/forum/showthread.php?p=974988#post974988
and over the past couple weeks, I've been taking my time cleaning it up a bit before I install it on the car with my new AS&M runners.

The Edelbrock was a nice piece out of the box, but it was quite clear, there was a lot of room for improvement. Having said that, it wasn't until I saw a stock TPI base a few days later, that I realized just how big of an improvement the Edelbrock base was, over stock. Seeing a factory TPI base in person for the first time, I have a VERY hard time believing that even with a HEAVY amount of port-work done to it,it still would not come close to an "out-of-the-box" Edelbrock base.

Still, even though the Edelbrock was clearly superior in terms of flow, as I said, there was even more room for improvement so I figured I would take the opportunity to port the Edelbrock base before I installed it on the car. After finding out that getting it "professionally" ported would cost almost as much as the intake itself, I made the decision to do it on my own. For the record, I've never ported anything in my life and had absolutely no experience what so ever doing this sort of work but trying it out on my own would definitely be the most cost-efficient route to take and at the same time, I admit, I was kinda excited about doing the work myself. Not only would I gain experience and learn a skill that may come in handy later on, but being able to tell people I did all the port work yourself, is pretty darn cool laugh.gif

I picked up a dremel for $70 at a local hardware store and a bunch of sanding bits. Since this was my first time porting anything, I decided that it would be safer to start off with simple sanding bit's so as to not accidentally remove too much material and destroy a brand new intake. Although it takes much longer using sanding bit's as apposed to something like a carbide bit, the sanding bit's kept me out of trouble and allowed me to take my time.

Anyways, I've only done the intake ports on one side of the base, but I think they came out really good. Better than I expected actually, and I'd be willing to bet the work that's been is about as good as it's going to get. I really can't see how a place like, say, TPIS, could do any better. Best part is, I did it myself and saved a lot of money.

I was able to get about 2 & 3/4 inch's "into" each of the ports. Right out of the box, the Edelbrock has only "slight" porting a measly 1/4" in which you could see from the picture's below. Another thing I noticed is that there's a "lip" around each of the intake ports where there's clearly a huge amount of excess aluminum that serves no purpose but to obstruct air-flow. I basically ground them down which basically opened up each port. It's a very noticeable improvement just by looking at it in person.

Although not very scientific, my testing measure to see how my porting was coming along, was to place a golf ball inside one of the intake ports before, and then after cleaning it out. You can see from the picture's just how much of an improvement you can make with a simple dremel and some spare time. Out-of-the-box, the gold ball wouldn't even fit. It would just sit there with 3/4 of it still sticking out. After porting, the golf ball literally drops right into each port. Yup. Big difference.

Anyhoo, thought I'd post a few pic's of my progress. I still have the other 4 intake ports on the other side to port out and then start on the exhaust ports afterwards, but I'm enjoying the experience. Basically, I just wanted to let people know that you don't have to pay a couple hundred bucks to someone else to do port work for you. If you're willing to try it yourself, you can get really good results and save yourself some cash as well as learn something new.

Any comments, advice, or any kind of input in general, is more than welcome.

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Blackbird Jon
Good deal! Looking really smooth, and since I recently bought an '88 Formula 350, I'm really excited about learning everything TPI I can. I too have very little hands on experience with such mods, but since my L98 is a little rough, I'll have plenty of oppurtunity to get my hands dirty and try to get the most out of it. Plan on doing everything I can myself, so this kind of stuff is right up my alley.

Just had to let u know I can appreciate everything you said and have done so far. Keep it going!
scrmnws6
Man... I really enjoy reading your posts. Very informative and always full of pictures ( I love pictures ).

Keep up the good work! Hows the LT1 coming along?

What I have learned from Lloyd Elliot (www.eportworks.com) is that the shape of the port has everything to do with the way that the air flows through. With my heads that I had him do, it is crucial to not only open them up as much as they can be, but to maximize the pressure of the air, the way the air flows etc. all to gain the most hp out of the heads.
LT1FUN
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Man... I really enjoy reading your posts. Very informative and always full of pictures ( I love pictures ).

Keep up the good work! Hows the LT1 coming along?

What I have learned from Lloyd Elliot (www.eportworks.com) is that the shape of the port has everything to do with the way that the air flows through. With my heads that I had him do, it is crucial to not only open them up as much as they can be, but to maximize the pressure of the air, the way the air flows etc. all to gain the most hp out of the heads.


Thanks. biggrin.gif

The Formula project has been put on hold for the past 2-3 years but I hope to really get the ball rolling this summer. Right now I'm just waiting on AFR to finally release their "Eliminator" series design for their LT1 heads. Word is, their new 215 raised runner LT4's will flow in excess of 350cfm ohmy.gif Apparently they'll support close to 700hp N/A so that's basically the hold up. The sooner they release these heads, the sooner I can finish up the Formula. ...


Back on topic, I have to go out on the weekend and buy a dremel flexible extension so I can port further into the intake. Doing so from both the intake and exhaust side of each port, should allow me to clean up the entire length of each pathway and get me the best results. When the intake is finally finished, I'll be sure to post pic's. Then I'll move onto porting the TPI plenum.
SiberianFirestorm
Look into what I believe the name is "extrude honing." That is where they run a form of liquid sandpaper to smooth what can not be reached with a grinder of sorts. Another thing to look at would be from Standard Abrasives. They offer a complete package of polishing wheels that look like brillo scouring pads you would get from the supermarket. I have done a lot of research on self porting and found these tidbits. Once I get my laptop working again, I will post up the links to what I was talking about.

Looks good so far. What did you use to mark the openings so you do not go too big? A gasket and a sharpie? I am guessing you are going to do the same thing on the heads to port match so you do not waste your time here.

Matt
custom87blackbird
wow nice port job! they look really good....i would port it too its a good experience....much more satisfying then getting it done by someone else, i ported my intake and runners etc and i loved it. but i just got a quote from extrude hone and they are the best and they are super expensive, like 400$ for the base and 250 for the runner is ridiculous. good job tho cheers!!!!! i like it.
LT1FUN
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It's been a while since I last updated this thread but I just haven't had any time to finish porting my Edelbrock base or to start working on my spare TPI plenum.

Well, I finally got some free time this weekend and decided to get back to work on the porting. Hopefully, everything will be good to go within a month's time and I'll be able to throw everything on the car and put her on a dyno to see how much the Edelbrock/AS&M combo is worth on an L98.

The base is 90% complete picture's coming soon) and today I finally got around to starting the work on my spare TPI plenum to take advantage of the AS&M runners.

Rather than start a separate thread for the plenum porting, I'll just use this thread instead and combine all the porting pic's together.

As you can see from the photo's below, the AS&M runners are quite a bit bigger than the ports on he stock plenum. In order to take full advantage of the larger diameter runners, the plenum opening's have to be enlarged. Using one of the gaskets that came with the AS&M's as a template, I carefully outlined the circumference of each opening with a sharp tap guide and began grinding away using both a dremel as well as a plain old round file. I've seen different ways of going about doing this. Some just cut out the divider in between each port leaving a wide "oval" shape behind (usually for SLP runners) while others just increase the size of teach port and call it a day.

Since I'm not using SLP runners, there's really no need to siamese the ports together so I just increased the size of the openings. and removed a small piece of the center section which will (hopefully) allow a bit more air flow.

I'm still not finished yet as I still have to port out the front of the plenum where the throttle body attach's to. I'll start that tomorrow...

Having never ported a a TPI base or plenum, I think I'm doing alright so far. The AS&M runner gaskets now lign up with the plenum ports perfectly. I increased the size of the openings from the stock 32mm to the appropriate 36mm needed for the larger runners.

Stay tuned for more updates.

Any advice and or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. smile.gif

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Just finished grinding down the EGR walls at the entrance of the plenum. You can see from the first picture just how much of a restriction those "walls" really are. I can't for the life of me figure out why GM would come up with such a crappy design, surly they must have know it would be a huge restriction and definitely have a negative effect on the motor's throttle response :doh:

My main concern with the plenum was enlarging the ports to accept the larger AS&M runners and, of coarse, as shown above, emoving the EGR walls.

I've seen a few people on this forum grind down the "ridge" just behind each of the plenum ports, but I honestly don't think that would make much of a difference in terms of overall "flow" so I'm not going to bother...

All I need to do now is smooth out a few rough spots left behind from the carbide bit I used to grind everything down with some mild sandpaper. Clean out the old carbon stains inside the plenum itself and then paint the outside of the plenum.
I hope to have the car back on the dyno next weekend so hopefully this will all get done in time. I've already received the new fuel injectors, cold-start plug, gaskets, new stainless TPI bolts and everything else to make for a full instal.

Stay tuned...

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