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insanity
I've got a 1994 Formula with about 65k on the clock. It has 2 major issues and I posted about the other one here

The brake pedal feels funny to me. I've never had a vehicle with ABS or four-wheel disks before, so I'm not sure what it is supposed to feel like. The pedal feels low, but the car doesn't respond as though it is a low pedal. The best way I can describe this is that the pedal feels "dead", but the brake system is still responding. To better describe this: The further I push on the brake pedal, the faster the car stops, but there is no feedback/pushback in the pedal until it "bottoms out". It's not actually hitting the floor, but it feels like it is. When it "bottoms out" it feels as though there is no way I can push it further, no matter how hard I push. As a side note, the previous owner told me that he had the brakes replaced about 2000 miles before he sold it to me. I have checked the wear on the pads, and this appears to be true.

What I've done to diagnose:
This weekend, I replaced the fluid in the entire system and bled it, following the directions in my trusty Haynes repair manual, cross-referenced against my trusty Chiltons manual. This included bleeding at the distribution block, and then bleeding the individual lines starting with the one furthest from the master cylinder. The old fluid, not surprisingly was a nice dark brown color, but showed no signs of water. Nor were there any large air bubbles. After doing this, there was no difference in the feel of the pedal. I have noticed that the pedal feels a little firmer sometimes, but I can't find any sort of pattern as to when it feels better compared to when it doesn't. Also, this may or may not be related, but sometimes when I pull the parking brake lever, it feels as though the parking brake is out of adjustment, and the lever goes way up. Sometimes, the lever only lets me pull it up an inch or two. This could be an issue with the brake lever's auto adjustment, which is supposed to take up slack in the cables. Just in case, though, I have adjusted the parking brake levers on the calipers according to my manuals, to ensure that the parking brake clearances are correct.

Questions:
2a) Is this a normal feel for a brake pedal on something with ABS and four-wheel discs?
2b) If not, where should I be looking for the issues? Because of the way the brakes actually respond, I'm not convinced that it is the master cylinder. Could it be something in the proportioning block, or is it probably the master cylinder?

Help me not needlessly throw money at this thing!
SiberianFirestorm
The only time I ever felt feed back was when I had to floor the brakes to stop. With the proportioning valves, it controls most of it so you do not feel as much as you would without ABS. (at the least that is my experience.) I hope this helps. Another thing you could do, and this is a good thing to do regardless, is change the rubber hoses to the brake calipers to a braided line. This will help with fade over time and allow them to work more efficiently. Could be a place to start being your car is a 94 and may have the original lines on it.

Matt
insanity
QUOTE(SiberianFirestorm @ Jun 4 2009, 04:33 AM) *
The only time I ever felt feed back was when I had to floor the brakes to stop. With the proportioning valves, it controls most of it so you do not feel as much as you would without ABS. (at the least that is my experience.) I hope this helps. Another thing you could do, and this is a good thing to do regardless, is change the rubber hoses to the brake calipers to a braided line. This will help with fade over time and allow them to work more efficiently. Could be a place to start being your car is a 94 and may have the original lines on it.

Matt

That makes me feel a little better about it. My only real worry is that it feels like the pedal is hitting some sort of mechanical stop when I press hard on them, which just makes me feel really uneasy.
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